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setherick
Re: Drafting O-line
by setherick @ 12/27/2016 4:59 pm
River Ave U wrote:
My advice is to pass on first round olinemen. While the "elites" won't be there in teh second, better than average ones fall to the second and third rounds.

Plus, as many have said, an elite o-line just isn't worth it. Having good ones can help, especially in the running game, but they're just not as impactful as taking skill positions early.

This is probably the worst advice right now. You need elite OL right now to keep DEs from completely destroying your QB - even then it'll be frustrating. But, more importantly, you'll want to start collecting a strong OL now so that when the code changes roll out to all leagues, you won't be several seasons behind on your OL.
jdavidbakr
Re: Drafting O-line
by jdavidbakr (Site Admin) @ 12/27/2016 7:56 pm
parsh wrote:
jdavidbakr wrote:
If you have a good offensive line you will still do better than a poor one, the biggest issue in the current version of the game is that the better offensive lines are just not quite good enough. That said, the next update to the engine has fixes for this already in testing. So it's up to you if you want to lower the priority of the OL in the next season or two, but I'd still go for as well-rounded of a roster as you can in any case.

So here is a strategy question... Will current OLs be improved with the update or would it be better served to wait until the update to begin drafting the better line?

The current OLs will improve with the update.
River Ave U
Re: Drafting O-line
by River Ave U @ 12/27/2016 9:38 pm
setherick wrote:
River Ave U wrote:
My advice is to pass on first round olinemen. While the "elites" won't be there in teh second, better than average ones fall to the second and third rounds.

Plus, as many have said, an elite o-line just isn't worth it. Having good ones can help, especially in the running game, but they're just not as impactful as taking skill positions early.

This is probably the worst advice right now. You need elite OL right now to keep DEs from completely destroying your QB - even then it'll be frustrating. But, more importantly, you'll want to start collecting a strong OL now so that when the code changes roll out to all leagues, you won't be several seasons behind on your OL.

I've gotten by with an OL that has been merely good, not great, as I rely on a running game; it's operating even better now that I've got a QB with some wheels as well. My distinction, though, has never been between elite and bad linemen, but merely that taking them in the first round was never quite necessary, as there was enough talent in mid-rounds that only performed marginally worse than the elites. Hot garbage, though, I always considered to be hot garbage.

That said, given JDB's comments about the OL, I would change my tune in a heartbeat. In real life, the battle is won in the trenches, and it's time to see that in MFN as well.
trslick
Re: Drafting O-line
by trslick @ 12/28/2016 1:51 pm
As this is a game and depends on codes to work, I still think of my O-line as an insurance
policy, the better they are the better the offense works!
Brrexkl
Re: Drafting O-line
by Brrexkl @ 12/29/2016 2:31 am
This is my OL is MFN-73. I went from 1-15 (only Banta, a converted TE, at LT) to 8-8 (added Rookie C and RT) and now going into Year 3 have added the LG and RG (Rookies).

Now note that I went from 1-15 to 8-8... and those guys were Rookies so their Block Ratings are no where near the Projected Max. Also note my Offense carried me as my Defense is a train wreck.

LT A Banta Year 3 (27, 6'1" 280) 76/77
SPD 74 ACC 74 STR 99 RUN 72/75 PASS 84/86

LG J Lester Rookie (22, 6'5" 309) 38/91
SPD 99 ACC 86 STR 87 RUN 33/87 PASS 25/100

OC K Cox Year 2 (23, 6'2" 285) 92/98
SPD 100 ACC 100 STR 100 RUN 68/100 PASS 81/100 SS 100 LS 57

RG M Moss Rookie (22, 6'2" 313) 41/90
SPD 74 ACC 80 STR 91 RUN 25/88 PASS 24/94

RT G Perdue Year 2 (23, 6'5" 320) 86/95
SPD 92 ACC 100 STR 96 RUN 79/94 PASS 59/94

Now I pass (literally) on about 80% of my Plays. So teams know what is coming. Yet I went from 1-15 with just Banta at LT, to 8-8 by adding a Rookie C and RT who finished the Season being really good but spent most of the Season getting those Skills up. Perdue is still only a 59 Pass Blocker, and Cox is an 81 which is good but not yet great.

So how did we net +7 Wins? I can only assume the QB I brought in, and Cox/Perdue/Banta keeping him alive.

My Rookies won't be very good early on, but the guys they replaced weren't very good. But they WILL become pretty darn amazing at those Guard spots.

I'm sure you saw a Theme. I converted Banta because he has some Speed and TE Weight, to try to keep up with the Smaller, Faster DE. All my guys have Speed, it's the one area I'm disappointed in Moss at. They all have ACC. They pretty much all have STR. In other words I have some pretty Extreme Athletes who are 280+ and can Pass Block.

They make my Team, without them I don't make the leap in just 1 Season that I did.

And yes, that's Four 1st Round Picks on my OL, in only 3 Seasons (all Drafted in the last 2 Drafts). I value them that highly.
Bryno
Re: Drafting O-line
by Bryno @ 12/29/2016 1:25 pm
Off topic question but are seasons around 3 months long in real life? (Including offseason)

My first day was October 28, 2016 and we were just heading into game 1 of the regular season (I think) at that time. We are heading into MidWeek of the 2nd round of the playoffs tonight, December 29, 2016. Not sure how many 'real-life' days it takes for "Off Season" things, but......2 months for what I have played so far.