Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/08/2017 5:56 pm
...Well, not actually 5 downs per se, but this should obviously be a situation where a penalty should not help the offending team.
Text Version: - 1-10-CBR 10 (5:56) 18-Brian Armstrong sacked at CBR 4 for -6 yards (93-Clarence Gilkes). Sack allowed by 60-Michael Smith 2-16-CBR 4 (5:17) 47-Leo Crabtree ran to CBR 1 for -2 yards. Tackle by 44-John Gonzalez. PENALTY - Holding (CBR 20-Allen Morrow) 2-18-CBR 2 (5:14) 47-Leo Crabtree ran to CBR 4 for 3 yards. Tackle by 29-Rudolph Ferguson. 3-15-CBR 4 (4:38) 18-Brian Armstrong pass incomplete, intended for 88-Timothy Chapman. Pass knocked down by 41-James Smith. Pressure by 93-Clarence Gilkes. 4-15-CBR 4 (4:32) 14-James McMillan punts 59 yards to POR 37. Visual Version : - https://theefl.myfootballnow.com/watch/510#91189 Not a complaint, not a ***** at the game....just highlighting a glaringly obvious fault in Penalty enforcement.
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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Bryson10
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12/08/2017 6:31 pm
i've seen that many times lol. I never went and looked at the log but there's been times where i couldve swore a team had 5 downs. Thanks for pointing that out cause i thought i was crazy a couple times :)
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/08/2017 6:38 pm
Bryson10 wrote: .......Thanks for pointing that out cause i thought i was crazy a couple times :) Only a couple of times...eh? :P As you know, I ref quite a bit, and if Team B (defense) captain wanted the enforcement I would usher him to the sideline to have the HC administer a concussion protocol. 2nd & 18 vs 3rd & 18...do the math on that. lol |
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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Booger926
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12/08/2017 7:31 pm
JDOM wrote: ...Well, not actually 5 downs per se, but this should obviously be a situation where a penalty should not help the offending team. Text Version: - 1-10-CBR 10 (5:56) 18-Brian Armstrong sacked at CBR 4 for -6 yards (93-Clarence Gilkes). Sack allowed by 60-Michael Smith 2-16-CBR 4 (5:17) 47-Leo Crabtree ran to CBR 1 for -2 yards. Tackle by 44-John Gonzalez. PENALTY - Holding (CBR 20-Allen Morrow) 2-18-CBR 2 (5:14) 47-Leo Crabtree ran to CBR 4 for 3 yards. Tackle by 29-Rudolph Ferguson. 3-15-CBR 4 (4:38) 18-Brian Armstrong pass incomplete, intended for 88-Timothy Chapman. Pass knocked down by 41-James Smith. Pressure by 93-Clarence Gilkes. 4-15-CBR 4 (4:32) 14-James McMillan punts 59 yards to POR 37. Visual Version : - https://theefl.myfootballnow.com/watch/510#91189 Not a complaint, not a ***** at the game....just highlighting a glaringly obvious fault in Penalty enforcement. A penalty called when an offense player grabs onto a defensive player in order to impede his progress or gain an advantage. Holding is called when the player does not use a proper open-handed blocking technique. The 10-yard penalty is assessed from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed. |
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/08/2017 8:13 pm
Booger926 wrote: Since it was a play for lost yardage, I would have declined the penalty, but NFL rules says I can't and the play must be replayed with penalty yards added A penalty called when an offense player grabs onto a defensive player in order to impede his progress or gain an advantage. Holding is called when the player does not use a proper open-handed blocking technique. The 10-yard penalty is assessed from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed. Booger, you are 100% incorrect my friend. |
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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Booger926
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12/09/2017 12:52 am
JDOM wrote: Booger926 wrote: Since it was a play for lost yardage, I would have declined the penalty, but NFL rules says I can't and the play must be replayed with penalty yards added A penalty called when an offense player grabs onto a defensive player in order to impede his progress or gain an advantage. Holding is called when the player does not use a proper open-handed blocking technique. The 10-yard penalty is assessed from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed. Booger, you are 100% incorrect my friend. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/#article-3.-illegal-block-by-offensive-player Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards. Notice, it does not say option to decline |
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/09/2017 12:59 am
Booger926 wrote: JDOM wrote: Booger926 wrote: Since it was a play for lost yardage, I would have declined the penalty, but NFL rules says I can't and the play must be replayed with penalty yards added A penalty called when an offense player grabs onto a defensive player in order to impede his progress or gain an advantage. Holding is called when the player does not use a proper open-handed blocking technique. The 10-yard penalty is assessed from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed. Booger, you are 100% incorrect my friend. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/#article-3.-illegal-block-by-offensive-player Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards. Notice, it does not say option to decline Allow me to send you on a journey of the NCAA & NFL Rule book.....The penalty in question is an auto-declined. The WC is not even looking for the HC's approval. It is late where I am, but I might choose to further correct you on this Booger. I can assure you that you are wrong in your ruling. |
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/09/2017 1:16 am
I'll PM you.
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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jdavidbakr
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12/11/2017 11:43 am
The penalty is properly enforced as a half-the-distance to the goal, but the bug is that the penalty should have been declined in this case since accepting it does actually give the offense an extra down.
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Re: FIVE downs ?
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JDOM
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12/11/2017 2:15 pm
jdavidbakr wrote: The penalty is properly enforced as a half-the-distance to the goal, but the bug is that the penalty should have been declined in this case since accepting it does actually give the offense an extra down. Correct & right Sir. |
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