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So what's the process for 2 teams in the same division?
It should be head to head
Division record
Common opponents
Conference record
Strength of victory
Points
I'm asking because in the previous case, common opponents is skipped and its goes from Conference record to points but the order is different when determining 2 teams in the same division.
Last edited 8/21/2019 9:05 am
Re: Playoff bug???
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Cjfred68
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8/21/2019 6:24 am
Wait.....just reread thread.
So your final quote is wrong.
You said following Conference games, it goes to net points but common opponents comes after Conference games.
Can we get a comprehensive breakdown of the playoff tiebreaker rules used in MFN please. We cant count on the standings because of the bug that elimates teams prematurely....In this scenario, Russia had the "e" by its name after week 15 and is now in the playoffs. Therefore, league admins have to figure out who is actually alive heading into week 16.
Everyone was under the impression we used the NFL RULES for these situations but now we are all learning we are not.
How is 2 teams in the same division determined?
How is 2 teams in the same Conference determined?
How is 3 or more teams in the same Conference determined?
You said following Conference games, it goes to net points but common opponents comes after Conference games.
Can we get a comprehensive breakdown of the playoff tiebreaker rules used in MFN please. We cant count on the standings because of the bug that elimates teams prematurely....In this scenario, Russia had the "e" by its name after week 15 and is now in the playoffs. Therefore, league admins have to figure out who is actually alive heading into week 16.
Everyone was under the impression we used the NFL RULES for these situations but now we are all learning we are not.
How is 2 teams in the same division determined?
How is 2 teams in the same Conference determined?
How is 3 or more teams in the same Conference determined?
Please, we need this information
It follows the NFL rules until the it passes the conference rule. The remaining rules are going to get worked out at some point, but since they rarely get to that point and the logic gets kind of complicated I've not taken the time to build the logic for them yet.
Re: Playoff bug???
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Cjfred68
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8/21/2019 11:59 am
Ok....so now I'm really confused.
You initially told Raidergreg69, you believe he won because of common opponents but now you are saying after Conference games it goes to points.
So am I to understand that it uses common opponents when that comes before Conference games in the tiebreaker order but doesnt use common opponents if it comes after Conference games?
To Break A Tie Within A Division
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Head to head Division record Common opponent Conference games
Two clubs in different divisions
Head to head Conference record Common opponents
So is common opponents used in both cases or does the AI jump straight to net points when it reaches conference games regardless of order.
- common games ahead of conference record in the tiebreaking procedure for division but - conference record ahead of common games in the tiebreaking procedure for WC spots
common games is ahead of conference record in the tiebreaking procedure, so
Tiebreakers according to NFL.com: To Break A Tie Within A Division If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss To Break A Tie For The Wild-Card Team If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. Two Clubs Head-to-head, if applicable. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
You make a blanket statement then provide 2 examples where common games is after Conference record so I'm not sure what your point is here
Re: Playoff bug???
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hollyhh2000
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8/22/2019 2:32 am
sorry, took me a while to get the difference in the ranking of the tiebreakers and now I finally get your point and agree, that it is a very valid question
I just did edit the post
Re: Playoff bug???
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Cjfred68
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8/22/2019 2:45 am
Yeah, I googled NFL playoff tiebreakers a long tie ago because I admin 5 leagues and the standings has prematurely elimated teams with the dreaded "e" by there name when they in reality are not elimated.
So one job of a good league admin is to research the playoff scenarios and report his findings to the league. Wouldnt it **** if you thought you were eliminated and played your backups when actually you were very much alive if game results went your way?
Anyway, I've been using the NFL tiebreaker procedures all this time and JDB is correct that it rarely gets to strength of victory but finally in my World League....it did....and the wrong team made the playoffs. BTW the team that made the playoffs had the "e" elimated sign by his team after week 15 and played his backups but still won.
I'm pretty sure JDB means that when the tiebreaker reaches strength of victory, skip to net points.....but I want clarity on that fact because his statement suggests otherwise since common games and conference record switch places depending on the scenario.
That leads me to wonder, does MFN use just one STANDARDIZED METHOD to figure out playoff tiebreakers or does it use the 4 basic methods employed by the NFL based on scenario.
I think a comprehensive breakdown of playoff tiebreakers used by MFN is required. There shouldnt be any confusion or mystery associated with the procedures and clearly they differ from the NFL.
