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Vikings_Fan
Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Vikings_Fan @ 5/18/2026 1:43 am
Now that the gameplan rules have been added to the play-by-play text, we can begin to report observed anomalies to show that gameplan rules are not always "firing" even when the gameplan rule conditions are all met.

Here is an example:

NFL League, 2045 season, week #13, Jets vs. Browns.

The Jets have an offensive gameplan rule called "SECOND DOWN (and 7 or 8 yards to go)" that is set up to activate in every possible game circumstance as follows:

Down: Second
Distance: 7 - 8 To Go
Location: Own 0 - Own 25, Own 25 - 50, 50 - Opp 25, Opp 25 - Opp 0
Quarter: First, Second, Third, Fourth, Overtime
Time: 15:00 - 0:00
Score: Down 29+ - Up 29+

This gameplan rule "fired" as appropriate in the 1st Quarter as all of the rule conditions were met (see below):

2-7-NYJ 40 (9:47)
4-Van Tovenaar ran to NYJ 49 for 9 yards. Tackle by 25-Justin Fox .
Offensive Play: Shotgun 2 RB 3 WR Shotgun Sweep
Rule: SECOND DOWN (and 7 or 8 yards to go)
Defensive Play: Nickel 3-3-5 Cover 2 Man Under
Run Key

However, this same gameplan rule did not "fire" twice in the 2nd Quarter when it should have even though all gameplan conditions were still met. We know there was a failure because the play-by-play text does not show the gameplan rule. In these two occurrences shown below, all conditions of the gameplan rule are met but no gameplan rule is shown and random offensive plays were selected that are not plays from the rule had it "fired" properly:

2-7-NYJ 48 (11:59)
4-Van Tovenaar ran to NYJ 49 for 1 yards. Tackle by 90-John Purnell .
Offensive Play: Strong I Normal HB Dive Strong
Defensive Play: 4-3 Under Double Safety Blitz
Run Key

2-8-NYJ 42 (3:56)
4-Van Tovenaar ran to CLE 46 for 11 yards. Tackle by 25-Justin Fox .
Offensive Play: Weak I Normal HB Inside Weak
Defensive Play: 4-3 Under 2 Deep Flat Outside

There are several other similar anomalies in this same game but I will provide just this one as a starting point for discussion.
Last edited 5/18/2026 8:12 pm
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Vikings_Fan
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Vikings_Fan @ 5/18/2026 4:04 pm
Here is another example:

USFL/WFL, 2021 season, week #9, Gold vs. Wranglers.

The Gold have an offensive gameplan rule called "THIRD DOWN (and 4 or 5 yards to go)" that is set up to activate in every possible game circumstance as follows:

Down: Third
Distance: 4 - 5 To Go
Location: Own 0 - Own 25, Own 25 - 50, 50 - Opp 25, Opp 25 - Opp 0
Quarter: First, Second, Third, Fourth, Overtime
Time: 15:00 - 0:00
Score: Down 29+ - Up 29+

This gameplan rule "fired" as appropriate in the 2nd Quarter as all of the rule conditions were met (see below):

3-5-ARZ 5 (7:09)
11-Barton McDonnell pass Pass knocked down by 20-Richard Olson . incomplete, intended for 88-Kenny Katchett .
Offensive Play: I Formation Twin WR Quick Outs
Rule: THIRD DOWN (and 4 or 5 yards to go)
Defensive Play: 4-3 Normal Man Under 1
Pass Key

However, this same gameplan rule did not "fire" in the 3rd Quarter when it should have even though all gameplan conditions were still met. We know there was a failure because the play-by-play text does not show the gameplan rule. In the occurrence shown below, all conditions of the gameplan rule are met but no gameplan rule is shown and a random offensive play was selected that is not a play from the rule had it "fired" properly:

3-4-ARZ 45 (3:24)
11-Barton McDonnell pass incomplete, dropped by 22-Flex Yofish .
Offensive Play: Shotgun 4 Wide All Curls
Defensive Play: Dime Flat 2 Deep Man Under
Pass Key
Last edited 5/18/2026 8:13 pm
martinwarnett
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by martinwarnett @ 5/20/2026 12:28 pm
You're 100% certain the plays called aren't expected output from the rule?

Just trying to rule out possibility might be a display error periodically where rule is being applied but it's not displaying that fact.
jdavidbakr
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by jdavidbakr (Site Admin) @ 5/20/2026 1:07 pm
That's a really narrow YTG condition, I wonder if it's a rounding issue - i.e. the game engine tracks in a much more granular level than integer yards, so maybe it's first and really 7.2, which rounds down to 7 on the display but is greater than 7 when the logic for the rule kicks in. Maybe I should round the YTG before checking the rule.
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Vikings_Fan
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Vikings_Fan @ 5/20/2026 1:35 pm
martinwarnett wrote:
You're 100% certain the plays called aren't expected output from the rule?

Just trying to rule out possibility might be a display error periodically where rule is being applied but it's not displaying that fact.

Martin -

Yes... in the anomalies noted, I am 100% certain that the plays called are not listed in the rule. This has been happening for a good long while and discussed on the message boards over time by some MFN OG's like Setherick and Smirt211 (guys who have around a lot longer than me on the platform).
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Vikings_Fan
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Vikings_Fan @ 5/20/2026 6:30 pm
...not a game "bug" per se, but I will mention it here because it concerns the visual display of the gameplan rules as part of the play-by-play text.

I use the ampersand symbol & in several of my gameplan rules.

Below is how the ampersand symbol & displays on screen in the gameplan rule:

&
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Vikings_Fan
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Vikings_Fan @ 5/22/2026 2:18 pm
Other posts that I have made on this topic were about gameplan rules not "firing" even though all the conditions of the gameplan rule were met.

Here is an example of a correct play "firing" but the text display does not include the text of the gameplan rule as it should.

USFL / WFL, 2021 season, regular season game #11, Gold vs. Invaders.

The Gold have an offensive gameplan rule called "SECOND DOWN (and 5 or 6 yards to go)" that is set up to activate in every possible game circumstance as follows:

Down: Second
Distance: 5 - 6 To Go
Location: Own 0 - Own 25, Own 25 - 50, 50 - Opp 25, Opp 25 - Opp 0
Quarter: First, Second, Third, Fourth, Overtime
Time: 15:00 - 0:00
Score: Down 29+ - Up 29+

One of the plays that I have associated with this rule is: I Formation Power Play Action HB Downfield.

In the example below from the 2nd Quarter, the gameplan conditions are met, a correct play is called, but the gameplan rule itself is not displayed in the text as it should be.

2-5-OAK 44 (14:42)
11-Barton McDonnell sacked at DEN 48 for -7 yards ( 51-Terrance Rose ). Sack allowed by 66-Graham Krakker .
Offensive Play: I Formation Power Play Action HB Downfield
Defensive Play: Goal Line Attack #3
Last edited 5/22/2026 6:23 pm
Smirt211
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Smirt211 @ 5/22/2026 2:42 pm
I worked on it early but from the vault = rule works, write new rule = does not work. I still have to fix xfl d rules that I wrote as new. O rules were from the vault and have always worked.
martinwarnett
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by martinwarnett @ 5/22/2026 3:36 pm
That's not the case, Smirt.

There's a theory at the moment that's being investigated about rounding of yards gained which may be the problem. Suffice to say, the game saying 2nd and 7 may in fact actually be 2nd and 7.6.
Last edited 5/22/2026 7:38 pm
Smirt211
Re: Gameplan rules not "firing" in all circumstances...
by Smirt211 @ 5/22/2026 3:49 pm
I have always used 4th down 0-1 yard dive and 0-2 to go rules that I believe work in mfn-2 since I never got booted and never lost my rules there. So yeah maybe at 1.5 or 2.5 it won't fire but the rules work, just have to parameter it right.
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